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The Iceberg Argument of a Theist

The Iceberg Argument is an accurate term for the nature of most religious arguments. Similar to icebergs, 95% of it isn’t there. This is the most important portion, the evidence, the explanations. It is what keeps a theory afloat. The very best example comes from the opening line from the Bible, the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

A whole book is believed because of this one line! People dedicate their lives around a holy book that contains many, many stories. These stories are only credible if that one single line holds any weight.

How much weight can one line hold?

Incredibly little. It is with arrogance to make a claim without any evidence. You would need an entire box set to grasp what we know through science about our universe, mere sentences are not and should not be acceptable. Stories without follow up evidence are indeed that. Stories. 

Don’t live your life around one-line claims.

Similarly, refuse to take stories as valid arguments. I recently asked a blogger on the site why he is so convinced of the afterlife and how he understands it so well. 

This was the response:

Good question! To answer, I’ll point to the story of the Prodigal Son.

Hang on a second! Can I please any evidence to suggest that would be worth my time?

Before I listen to lengthly stories I want credible reason to. Unfortunately, no evidence is presented here, only a lengthly re-tell of a story and no reason whatsoever as to why it should be retold.

Good question! To answer, I’ll point to the story of the Prodigal Son. Here, Jesus tells of a boy who disobeyed his father’s commands, rebelled, and ran away. After a time, the son finds the home the world provides isn’t satisfying him. He feels lonely and doesn’t belong. Years later, he returns home, to his father, with his head hung low. He fears his father would punish him, or worse, banish him for being so foolish. Instead, when he returns, the father takes him in his arms, clothes him with his best robe, and celebrates his son’s return.

Jesus told this story to demonstrate His own character and nature, and to show the home He’s prepared is always open to those who will come. It’s a place of love and acceptance.

This story is an allegory for all of us. All of us have gone astray and have turned from God in favor of finding our own way, but if we’re honest, we still haven’t found what we’re looking for, but there’s always a place at Christ’s table for anyone who believes.

What puts me apart from the billions that go along with this story? I do not choose to believe because someone tells me to. There is nothing in there that should make you choose to believe any more than any other story. If you can find something that does, please comment below.

If you read that and are convinced, you are a person that believes what you want to be true, not what theory provides evidence. I do not see any evidence in the comment whatsoever. Purely storytelling.

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  1. Hello, I am also a fellow blogger, and to begin. I think going behind that bloggers back and bagging him out is rude. You really didn’t have a right to make a ridiculous argument just out of a comment someone said, if that is how you make posts. Keep thinking. And second, we as Christians, don’t base our beliefs on theories and “proof” as every single person who is against Christianity says, we go on faith which has meaning and commitment, and honour, if I had a friend and didn’t believe him because it wasn’t theory based than I would go get some help. Buddy appreciate your interest in our Christianity, it isn’t a religion, but be nicer when you right about someone else, and don’t base your results in theory which in my opinion has no proof. Blessings.

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    • Thanks again for the comment. Personally I do not think that my post was overly rude or inconsiderate to the individual at all, I am sorry you feel that way. Regardless I chose not to link him in to the post or give a name, providing anonymity.
      I am intrigued however, as you mentioned theory in your opinion has no proof, what do you find had the best example of proof? Personal opinion?

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      • Hey Religion Erased, I appreciate the mention and the inspiration I could provide. Thank you for being respectful to what I believe. I don’t mind the comments at all, as you weren’t rude and you didn’t attempt to mock what I believed. I’ve read some of your posts here, and they are very intriguing. You make some great points, and you don’t seem to be one to mock religion, which earns high respect points from me 🙂 If I may go a little deeper into why I won’t tolerate mocking, the one who is doing it needs to ask the question: Why? Why does he choose to believe what he believes? For me, it gives me hope in a broken world, and peace that there is a home for me and for all of us. If you’d like me to answer some questions posed on your blog, I’d be more than happy to.
        Blessings.

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    • “You really didn’t have a right to make a ridiculous argument just out of a comment someone said…”

      Yes, we do have the right. We have the right to think our own thoughts about what other people say, to comment on those things, to discuss any idea presented. The internet isn’t your church, and you can’t tell us not to talk about what people say.

      Just because an idea is a “religious idea” doesn’t make it off limits. It might be rude to make fun of somebody, but since no names were named here, and no personal remarks made about the commenter, there wasn’t any ridicule. Calling out a bad argument for being a bad argument is part of how blogging works.

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      • I understand your comment completely and thank you, but I wasn’t going off because it was a religious idea or claim, no. I was a bit frustrated that he needed a comment to create a post. Why couldn’t he have just thought that one up by himself, and if he did, still, no comment was needed to be put into the post for any reason. I mean, it’s not like he made the post more appealing by putting the comment in there. Thx for the comment and I understand what you mean entirely.
        Blessings.

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      • Ubi Dubium, I do the same thing with my own blog regarding Christianity and theology, I myself, the writer of the comment, have no problem with them being used.
        Religion Erased, I’m not sure if your comment on stoning people is a mocking gab to the Bible, but it wasn’t Jesus who stoned people to death, it was the religious ones who threw the stones as they lived under the law. Jesus said to them when they were stoning an adulterer, “He who is without sin, cast for the first stone.” None of them did.

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