I would like to analyse a view of the world I find rather offensive and disturbing. A view I am relieved most would disagree with. Saying this, many still share this logic.
This view came in comment form after I responded to a post that was pretty much a threat to those who don’t believe. I will break the comment down into sections due to its length via each point.
It largely demonstrates the flawed logic of a believer. Three factors together to take into account which, to me, scream unfair play.
1. God creates us inferior, we cannot comprehend his ability or origins.
2. God commands us to believe in him. Yet the understanding of Christianity comes solely from society, not God.
3. Although we do not possess the ability to fully understand or communicate with God, God excludes us from the Kingdom of Heaven as a result of being unconvinced. This is irreversible and eternal.
This is as flawed as it is untrue. It is very flawed at that. So without further ado, let us analyse the comment.
It starts with a response to an argument I put across. Asking if the believer would stay at home and only speak when spoken to if instructed to by God. She said:
If God, as my creator, told me to I had to stay in the house and only speak when spoken to, as difficult as it may be, as much as I might not like it, if he has asked me to live in perfect obedience to Him out of love for and trust for him, then stay in the house and only speak when spoken to is exactly what I would do because I am called to do it and, should I choose not to then, I am being disobedient and subject myself to any consequence related thereto.
Instant submission. As easy as that. To be that willing to serve a deity, whilst never being in direct dialogue with, is a grave concern.
Firstly, you think I have a right to be free, and if I am deprived freedom in some way, then I will suffer
Why do you think we have a right to be free? Why do you believe as humans beings we possess some sort of fundamental rights and all? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s because you believe my life and your life and the lives of all people everywhere have value.
Otherwise, you would have no ground to stand on in getting upset when you or I or anyone else is mistreated or abused or their freedom restricted in any way. Abuse inflicted upon and deaths of people would not matter if lives had no value. They could only be called a tragedy if the lives of these people had meaning. And to have meaning, they had to exist as a result of more than random chance.
Like a pregnancy that takes nine months of special care and preparation, for example. Made possible after millions of years of our species evolution, with higher success rates thanks to our continual understanding and research.
They had to have a purpose to be considered tragic. Purpose can’t come from nothingness, random, spontaneous existence.
Like, erm, the sudden surge in life via a God after the sudden creation of the heavens and the Earth? Nothing sounds more sudden and ‘random chance’ than the biblical tale of events.
Given the rapid moral decline of this world, I would not be so sad if God were to limit my ability to move about it and interact with those in it.
I’m sorry, but this is not a game of chess. We don’t need to make a move of sacrifice for our own benefit. Let’s imagine I own a crèche. I introduce a new child to the group. This child doesn’t get along with one certain child in particular. To overcome this, I limit the vulnerable child’s movement within the crèche. Is that really the best resolve? This is the best logic an infinitely knowledgable God has to play with? No it isn’t. All this proves is that we can only conjure up resolves humans are capable of thinking of. If that vulnerable child is happy with the solution, well, a child wouldn’t know any better.
Did you ever consider perhaps the reason He might limit my freedom is actually because He loves me and wants to keep me from harm?
After considering the above, no.
The assumption in all your statements that freedom=happiness couldn’t be more wrong
I agree with this partially. Like the author states in her post, total freedom may produce anarchy. Yet once again there is an obvious failure to take into account the ability God possesses. The ability to grant us total freedom and a total understanding of compassion and togetherness. This is possible, for God anything is possible, so why does he make it so difficult?
By definition, discrimination cannot exist in a world of absolute morality, at least not a world where all people conduct their lives according to the dictates of that absolute morality.
Just because a morality is defined as ‘absolute’ does not mean it is faultless. It just means the creator of such a morality is not willing to change the rules. I struggle to come to terms with why God has a perfect system just because he created said system- because he was always in existence. If there were no morals prior to God, what standard is he going by? We know better than God what morals to live by, after all we are the ones that have to live alongside one another. It is just a shame every continent on Earth is plagued with a flawed ideology, coincidentally all convinced that theirs is flawless. Yet for thousands of years these perfect Gods have proved unworthy of the title. If a national leader was to prove as unworthy of the challenge, they would be out of a job at the next election. I guess that is down to knowing another leader will take his/her place. Religion doesn’t have such a safety net.
And yes, if people conduct their lives according to the dictates of that absolute morality, they may well indeed suffer discrimination. They just have no choice in the matter.
I wish I trusted in Him, obeyed his command and allowed my freedom to be restricted because the result in me doing what you call the ‘good’ thing has caused immense heartache and suffering
I have shortened this quote due to the more personal nature of the events mentioned, it is not my place to bring them up in my blog. One however, was an unplanned pregnancy that I have decided to state as this isn’t all that unfamiliar in nature.
What is the worth of a baby born from an unplanned pregnancy? Well, incredible worth. This goes against the idea that anything created without meaning or purpose is of no value, the authors first argument. Who gives a shit if there was no pre planned and purpose driven motive for a resulting situation. It is staggeringly ignorant and damaging to suggest a loving being capable of compassion, suffering and all the emotions in between can be disregarded because there was no conscious intention to bring that person into the world. Now I am not doubting the author is a good parent, or feels love towards her child. But this is the exact same situation we find ourselves in through evolution. I know I am capable of love and hate seeing people suffer, how dare anyone say only a creator can allow us to value these emotions?
What if it is proven beyond doubt that God does not exist (which cannot be done, for the same reason no one can prove I did not create the universe), will everyone suddenly start to walk carelessly into traffic? Stop brushing their teeth? Stop watching comedy shows? Stop loving? Of course not. Because regardless of why our brains function we know what we like and dislike. What feels good and what doesn’t. What causes harm and what helps us cooperate.
And you claim God is immoral for creating a confusing world. Why is God immoral because you are confused? The world is confusing because of your failure and/or inability to understand it, not because it is un-understandable. This does not make God immoral, it is proof of your finiteness and proof of his infiniteness
So the confusion proves my finite ability to comprehend the Universe, yet it is my fault I cannot understand the workings of a creator? Even though it has just been said that I am no match for his intellect? And this is intentional? This level of contradictory thinking leaves me just as confused.
And honestly, why should he (God) speak to you? You’ve told him and made it clear to him more than a few times that you don’t believe he exists. Every attempt he makes to speak to you, through the Bible, through people like me, through the world around you everywhere you go you will never hear him. Are you truly prepared to pay the eternal price for the illusion of freedom you so cling so tightly to?
Why does God himself never speak to me? He has never once sat next to me, approached me or spoken to me directly. It should be his moral duty to make the effort himself, it is the least he can do if the price for not believing is eternal damnation. Not through the Bible, or fellow humans, he should so this himself. I didn’t ask to be born, why the hell should I spend my life chasing a God to save myself from an eternal punishment?
I am not going to lose sleep over it, the people I want to spend time with are probably excluded from his kingdom anyway.